#836 - Anat Saragusti über Zensur & Pressefreiheit in Israel

00:00:00: When they took office before the war, in December of twenty-two.

00:00:05: They had a master plan to weaken the Free Press and they are doing it as we speak.

00:00:11: Really?

00:00:11: Yes.

00:00:12: Prime Minister Netanyahu did not give an interview with Hebrew journalist interviewing Hebrew since March twenty

00:00:22: one.

00:00:22: No!

00:00:22: All right new episode of young naive.

00:00:26: We Are On The Road.

00:00:28: And Who Are You?

00:00:30: I'm a journalist by profession and in the last few years, around the press freedom department at The Union of Journalists In The Country.

00:00:41: And can you tell us where we are right now?

00:00:44: You're at my tiny apartment center of Tel Aviv.

00:00:50: Thanks for having me!

00:00:52: What do they do there?

00:00:53: Why is their union for journalists in Israel?

00:00:55: Oh

00:00:56: why?!

00:00:58: Yeah, journalists needs to be unionized.

00:01:00: I mean i think every worker should be unionize them for our unions.

00:01:04: you can have the unions at the press station or the radio stations but do we need a Union for all journalists?

00:01:13: Yes because usually run the collective bargains At media outlets with the union of journalists without a chapter in each Media outlet.

00:01:27: and how is it going?

00:01:28: How's that situation to economic situation for journalist?

00:01:33: bad like all other journalistic over the world, Of course I guess so.

00:01:39: I mean journalism.

00:01:39: poor Salaries are not that high except if you're you know big talent or something.

00:01:46: this joke in German like you only become rich as a journalist when you have rich parents, otherwise don't expect to make any money.

00:01:54: There you go!

00:01:55: You have the answer yeah?

00:01:57: The situation is not good.

00:01:58: I mean globally.

00:02:01: there's no economic sustainability for media outlets unless you work at public broadcaster and they're doing much better or...I dunno..you'll have very-very Oligarch behind the media outlets.

00:02:18: Did you work for some oligarchs in your life?

00:02:21: Never.

00:02:22: Why?

00:02:25: First of all, I totally support The Public Broadcaster and worked there several years.

00:02:31: I started my career at a very small lefty weekly news magazine actually founded and edited by a German descent.

00:02:48: Really?

00:02:49: Yes, Uri Avneri never heard of him.

00:02:54: Google it.

00:02:56: What was the magazine?

00:02:58: It was weekly news magazine that Was doing a lot of investigative journalism.

00:03:07: That was really independent didn't belong to any party or group of power, reach anybody.

00:03:17: you know it was sustainable.

00:03:20: It did a lot of investigative journalism.

00:03:22: that really shook the country and we were very small staff.

00:03:30: I began as photojournalist.

00:03:33: then i started writing.

00:03:37: so do the pictures and the texts as well.

00:03:43: It was really very, very efficient for the magazine.

00:03:47: That's how I started.

00:03:48: my career is in a local newspaper.

00:03:50: you took pictures.

00:03:52: so may you make money on the pictures?

00:03:53: And then the text was optional.

00:03:57: okay The tax wasn't important.

00:03:59: but Then it was a very good school of journalism because Ethos was that you serve only the public, and the public's rights to know.

00:04:14: And are not afraid of anybody... You don't bend any of your journalist values for power!

00:04:28: We really did it because we were not so popular But we felt that were do.

00:04:34: We have a mission and we are doing the mission, then it was shut down because of economic reasons?

00:04:40: Because government banned advertising in their magazine.

00:04:45: tried to shut it down.

00:04:47: didn't like you to be so.

00:04:49: criticism for the government.

00:04:51: explain how the government can regulate advertisement.

00:04:56: your magazine

00:04:57: It doesn't regulate, but it avoided subscription to public workers or soldiers.

00:05:08: This is part of the business plan for every magazine.

00:05:17: It didn't ban advertisement, but it created a climate that commercial companies did not advertise at the magazine.

00:05:28: Eventually... ...it was shut down.

00:05:31: and then I was one of the founders for the first commercial television in the country which is now Channel Twelve.

00:05:39: Its very powerful!

00:05:42: And its highly distributed.

00:05:45: So I was there for many years.

00:06:17: Years ago.

00:06:19: I read you were the first Israeli journalist who interviewed Yasef Arafat in Lebanon, right?

00:06:26: Can you tell us a story how you got that interview and how important was it to the Israeli public?

00:06:32: Well, Yaseff Arafah was then the head of PLO, The Palestinian Liberation Organization.

00:06:39: There there was an invasion of the Israeli army into Lebanon.

00:06:45: this was nineteen eighty-two.

00:06:48: They occupied also the Lebanon pretty much like they do now.

00:06:53: This is their third time already, but they reached Beirut – the capital of Lebanon and wanted to kick out all the Palestinians or headquarters of the Palestinians who were located in Beirute.

00:07:15: So they put a lot of pressure and we reached Beirut as journalists.

00:07:19: And I pushed my editor, who was then with me at Beirute to use his contacts so that he can get on the other side of conflict lines... ...and see what's going there!

00:07:35: There were under siege and shortage of water electricity food etc.. Then i thought this story is there You know, so we did that and because the conflict lines it was scary.

00:07:51: We had to cross all kinds of roadblocks and checkpoints Because there were many different armies.

00:08:01: There were the Syrians in the Lebanese army And the Christian Army In the PLO army The Israeli army Of course...we have to cross these check points which we did and so it happened that way.

00:08:20: Did nobody from the Israeli journalist side try to get our effort before or do you get lucky?

00:08:26: How, how did you manage to convince them?

00:08:29: Nobody tried for I don't know if he would agree because the editor of magazine was also four times a member of the Knesset with Israel parliament.

00:08:42: So he was a politician who, I mean his agenda was to support this two-stage solution.

00:08:51: The recognition of the PLO as representative for the Palestinian people

00:08:57: etc.,

00:08:57: so he was known for his standings.

00:09:02: So maybe it was easier for Arafat to give him the interview, ask the interview than anybody else.

00:09:09: But I don't know...I don't think that anyone tried before us To cross conflict lines.

00:09:16: this is not something every journalist should try to do That but usually journalists doesn't

00:09:26: listen to the other side right?

00:09:28: Of course I think it's something that you have to do routinely.

00:09:35: But during times of war in Israel, because everybody... It is mandatory for everyone serving the army men and women Yes And at time like when there was a high security intention People tend to be... I don't know, sorry.

00:10:03: Patriotics?

00:10:06: So they tend to rally around the flag and They tend not to be too criticizing government or the policies of the government.

00:10:21: The public is Not open for criticism at times of war Everybody, sometimes the journalists themselves serves as reservists in the army which is a problem.

00:10:38: And if not that everybody knows somebody who's now in combat.

00:10:44: you know whether it's your neighbor or your cousin or father or son or brother whatever because everybody's engaged in that.

00:10:56: So it really is, the dilemma is what are you first?

00:11:00: Are your first Patriot for Israel and do want kind of team to win the war or are you a first independent journalist who serves the interest of public?

00:11:13: I mean as you explained before like...I think with journalism you describe this like respublica You know in service off-the-public of your country or government.

00:11:26: And maybe you can be both, maybe in private when not work as journalists... You know?

00:11:34: Be patriotic and hope that the team wins but as a journalist ...you shouldn't be like this!

00:11:41: I agree But i'm a minority who think like that and always at times of conflict.

00:11:51: I saw myself first as a journalist who owes, who owed to do my work for the public.

00:11:59: But now you're head of The Union?

00:12:01: I'm not the Head Of The Union but the Press Freedom Department at The Union!

00:12:06: Okay... But since you are the head of the press freedom department can't make sure that more journalists in Israel and everywhere else adapt this kind of journalism?

00:12:19: because i agree

00:12:20: Can I force, can you force a journalist to do something?

00:12:24: No.

00:12:24: You can't!

00:12:25: I mean every journalist has an editor and the editor has to demand what he or she demands...I have no power on the content of the editorial.

00:12:35: You know..you

00:12:35: could have good arguments with better argument.

00:12:38: Of course.

00:12:39: so i write about it ,i talk about it .i criticize them ..i post about it ...You Know.... I wrote actually an article on October sixteen less than ten days into the October Seventh War, arguing that there is a one-sided war.

00:13:00: If you look at coverage of the war it's a one sided wars if only one side fighting because we didn't see the Palestinians at all.

00:13:12: so I write alot about it and speak alot but this is what i can do.

00:13:20: But it sounds like hasn't much changed in the last fifty years.

00:13:26: Well, this war is...

00:13:28: In times of war?

00:13:29: Yes but other wars and military campaigns were much shorter.

00:13:35: so towards end of these you know longest one was in twenty fourteen in Gaza lasted fifty-one or fifty two days.

00:13:49: So towards the end of this military campaign, they started to show a little bit what's going on in other side of conflict lines among Palestinians.

00:14:02: But first off all for intensity of war and magnitude events.

00:14:08: that fact majority Israelis are traumatized by October seven massacre.

00:14:17: It really is you know, it's overwhelming Emotionally for most of us.

00:14:22: I mean my one of my best friends was was murdered on October seventh and one of the kibbutzim And she was a peace activist.

00:14:32: very You know Intensive peace activists then they're known for that.

00:14:37: So it really is up a very deep dilemma how you can distance yourself from your own emotions.

00:14:49: and You know, put the hat off of the impartial journalists then do your job for The interest of the public.

00:14:59: Haaretz Newspaper did that From day one.

00:15:03: there were the only ones as mainstream media outlet That covered what's happening in Gaza on both all sides.

00:15:11: I mean this is I see it as the role of journalists, you know to cover the three hundred and sixty degrees off.

00:15:18: The reality on the ground not to cover only one angle.

00:15:23: in addition at the only way since October seventh there is no foreign press in Gaza .The Only Way To Cover Gaza Was Under The Umbrella Of The Israeli Defense Force Spokesperson

00:15:40: from the Israeli side Of course, there are seven palaces.

00:15:45: He was the one to decide who gets in for how long and they were embedded into units.

00:15:50: And he would decide which unit?

00:15:52: Who can be interviewed.

00:15:54: They had to sign a waiver so that it gives him power To watch footage.

00:16:02: And then there is another layer of military censorship.

00:16:06: who could also, you know censor for part of the footage.

00:16:10: So it really filtered and he... The IDF spokesperson can filter and create a narrative.

00:16:25: On the other side were Palestinian journalists who really were risking their lives, literally risking our lives.

00:16:33: More than two hundred of them were killed and they were under threat.

00:16:42: I don't know if that could get everywhere?

00:16:45: I followed a few Instagram bloggers to see what's going on.

00:16:56: So usually the wars were shorter and then you could get back to normal.

00:17:02: Now, we can't get it back to normally in Israel.

00:17:05: still bands on their ability of foreign press to get into Gaza.

00:17:10: And so

00:17:11: what do you think that is?

00:17:13: I Think they don't want anybody see was going.

00:17:16: i mean People know what's going on there.

00:17:18: We've seen satellite photos, we listened to evidence testimonies.

00:17:25: people went there, people speak about their Palestinians are willing show whats' going.

00:17:32: but it is easier for Israel say that they're not reliable because under the control of Hamas.

00:17:40: so everything whole truth.

00:17:45: and sometimes Hamas controls narrative.

00:17:49: And you know, things like that when an independent journalist for say I don't know CNN BBC German television would go in.

00:18:01: they will not be able to see it's false fake

00:18:07: manipulated.

00:18:07: what was thinking about?

00:18:08: Like if the argument is okay The Palestinian journalists.

00:18:12: They only show propaganda from the Hamas point of view.

00:18:16: Why not let in foreign media to counteract those claims?

00:18:25: Actually, the Foreign Press Association in Israel filed a petition to the High Court of Justice and we at The Union joined them as amicus of the court saying exactly that.

00:18:37: You know you should let the journalist in because this is only way.

00:18:41: show the truth because journalists know how to collect evidence, they know how interview people.

00:18:47: They know the way of truth against false and fake

00:18:53: etc.,

00:18:54: this is their profession.

00:18:57: but until now they denied it, declined every attempt.

00:19:04: I don't know when eventually you would go in the magnitude of destructions and you know, death toll.

00:19:18: Doesn't Israeli generals have any choice?

00:19:20: Like if they want to go to Gaza like they have to with IDF And then they Have do agree to be censored?

00:19:29: Yes No other

00:19:30: choice.

00:19:31: Only one choice also foreign press coming from Israel.

00:19:37: There was no access unless, you know under the umbrella of IDF spokesperson.

00:19:44: And these are the conditions I think that in the last few months.

00:19:49: nobody can get into Gaza.

00:19:51: journalists i didn't see any footage from coming from the idea

00:19:57: and like Israeli journalist Are not fighting it because like in the entire world?

00:20:04: I mean Israel is becoming more isolated.

00:20:08: Let's leave out America and Germany in all this.

00:20:11: but like most of the world thinks there is a genocide going on, which is one of the worst crimes.

00:20:19: Israel says that it isn't what happening.

00:20:23: as a journalist even if you are patriotic You want your team to win then also not to commit genocide Like I don't get.

00:20:37: why they're not fighting, you know to counteract this man.

00:20:43: You are right.

00:20:44: I Don't understand either but Since we represent the majority of these journalists in the country and we join This petition through high court of justice it's like The journalist were joining that petition?

00:20:59: It's not there.

00:21:00: no oblivious They didn't stand on their feet to fight this ban.

00:21:09: I didn't see any comment on television or elsewhere.

00:21:14: why the idea, if they are not challenging the decision of the IDF not allow journalists in?

00:21:21: Not that I heard off.

00:21:23: maybe they did here and there but it was not very powerful.

00:21:26: It...they didn't echo as they could.

00:21:33: The definition of genocide is something that Israelis cannot swallow, but by avoiding covering what's going on the other side of the conflict line.

00:21:48: Israeli press is cultivating or helping their narrative as if All the demonstrations against the policies of the state of Israel is anti-Semitism, but this isn't a case.

00:22:01: Not all the demonstrations... ...against Israel are anti-semitism.

00:22:07: Of course there's anti-semitism and more so when it began When people in the international community saw the scale of human children and destruction in Gaza.

00:22:25: And they went out to the streets or put encampments, even in the

00:22:30: U.S.,

00:22:31: campuses of the U S. University... This was not an act of anti-semitism.

00:22:37: this is an act criticizing policies for Israel vis a vis the Palestinians in Gaza and you know the horrific footage that was pouring into their living rooms all over the world.

00:22:55: In Israel, they didn't see any of it.

00:22:57: and when they felt like they were forced to show you know?

00:23:01: When there was starvation suddenly in Gaza and children were dying from starvation among nutrition They showed but they framed as look what this word is showing And they very quickly adopted the narrative dictated by the IDF spokesperson.

00:23:30: They had this formula, how many calories a person needs per day?

00:23:35: How many trucks are going into Gaza?

00:23:39: How Many calories of getting in to Gaza divided by how many people are in Gaza so that have enough food.

00:23:45: I mean This was a narrative that they very, very quickly adopted and didn't want to get into the discussion of genocide.

00:23:59: And this is a pity.

00:24:02: all All the human rights organizations in Israel define it as a genocide.

00:24:09: Many op-eds Define It As Genocide.

00:24:14: many Experts In Israel Defined It As A Genocide.

00:24:17: but Journalists Are You Know Distance Themselves From This Definition.

00:24:21: But Like At Some Point We Will Have like you know ruling by The ICJ?

00:24:27: And Many Years and The Entire World Will Know How can they square this in ten, twenty years?

00:24:40: They would look back and be like oh my god we could have done something.

00:24:44: We could've reported the truth.

00:24:49: I guess that will happen In the future.

00:24:53: usually it happens faster than or sooner but as i told you The war is still active.

00:25:02: I mean, all fronts in Lebanon and Gaza with Iran.

00:25:08: With the Houthis in Yemen.

00:25:10: you know we have a lot of them off course The West Bank.

00:25:15: so for then it's not the right time to do the reflection on their own work.

00:25:25: or is your union in solidarity?

00:25:28: As he mentioned that kill journalists in Gaza.

00:25:32: Do they care about journalists from the other side?

00:25:36: Yes.

00:25:37: We issued some statements when they target killed journalists, not enough in my view.

00:25:47: but yes we did.

00:25:49: What's the situation by the public or some mainstream journalist?

00:25:52: do they you know think that it is like oh your traders and...

00:25:57: Yes!

00:25:57: We were severely attacked for siding with Hamas.

00:26:03: The automatic pilot say that every Palestinian mail is a Hamas operator, including journalists.

00:26:17: Actually in the last few days Hamas is publishing names of their operators militant operators and Gaza.

00:26:29: until now they published names of I think four journalists who.

00:26:37: Everybody thought our journalists and they turned to be militants of Hamas, members of Hamass.

00:26:43: Even the Committee To Protect Journalists who is analyzing all the death of a journalist in the world including Gaza said that they should revise their analysis due what Hamas was publishing.

00:26:57: so I don't know...I don't think that all the two hundred journalists were killed in Gaza were Hamas militants or Hamas members, but we'll see what Hamas will publish.

00:27:07: So some of them are probably militants of Hamas, members of Hamaz.

00:27:13: Does that matter?

00:27:14: Like when you work... You take footage show the war.

00:27:21: does it matter to do some kind of journalism?

00:27:26: doesn't matter You know, in favor of Hamas.

00:27:34: Did you work for them as some kind?

00:27:37: Does it matter if when you do a kind-of journalist's work and you are actually working for PR?

00:27:43: Of course he does!

00:27:45: Can you both work for commercial organization to be impartial balanced journalists?

00:27:53: No... There we go..

00:27:57: as an Israeli journalist while also being a reservist.

00:28:02: Because the other side is always like, okay well there are Israeli journalists who were also in the IDF so they're IDF reservists.

00:28:10: what's the difference?

00:28:12: Is that legitimate criticism?

00:28:14: first of all it's legitimate.

00:28:15: I mean It's an argument and debate should be happening.

00:28:25: The difference First of all, Hamas is not a state.

00:28:30: No!

00:28:32: Hamas was defined by most countries as terrorist organization.

00:28:36: Hamas doesn't make the difference between civilians and militants soldiers whatever they killed babies etc.

00:28:46: Not that Israel didn't kill babies but I tend to think it wasn't done intentionally.

00:28:55: It would be very hard for me as an Israeli to think that my country killed babies intentionally.

00:29:02: There was some Danish reporting on bullets and baby's heads, did you see this a few weeks ago?

00:29:12: No

00:29:12: Which kind of suggested it was deliberate shooting...

00:29:15: I think there is one film made by the Oscars recording of a child on the phone where her car was part, and her family wasn't target killed but wounded in shooting by Israelis.

00:29:41: And she was crying for help.

00:29:44: And they shot again this same cars.

00:29:50: I don't know.

00:29:53: I guess here and there, yes but not as a method.

00:29:57: this was not a systemic thing to kill babies.

00:30:02: so i think the reason different between an organized army with chain of commands and values Not everybody keeps their values But at least there is code of ethics.

00:30:16: There should be a different standard for Terrorist organization and a democratic government.

00:30:23: Yes indeed

00:30:25: We talked about military censorship, what about self-censorship with Israeli journalists?

00:30:30: So military censorship?

00:30:31: This is something that we are under since the creation of the war of the state because this is all always high security alert Always In terms of self censor ship.

00:30:46: yes I think that the fact they did not cover What's going on in Gaza is self-censorship.

00:30:53: They didn't want to expose themselves, to criticism by the audience... To a very, how would I define it?

00:31:10: Hostile government who at when they took office before the war December twenty two They had a master plan to weaken the free press in the country and they are doing it as we speak.

00:31:26: Yes,

00:31:27: they mean Benghia Smotridge or the Tiger?

00:31:30: No no no.

00:31:31: Prime Minister Netanyahu is now under Indicted.

00:31:37: he has a trial for trying to manipulate The coverage of him into which were the two strongest and most distributed media in Israel at that time.

00:31:51: So he is known for being obsessed with how it's been covered.

00:31:56: There are a tsunami of legislation on the Knesset in the parliament to weaken public broadcaster, shut down, close only news division things like this as we speak discussing it in the Knesset.

00:32:14: There is another legislation that targets commercial television, creates chaos at the commercial television and regulations so they can have a political takeover.

00:32:29: They decided to shut down military radio which was public radio to shut it down.

00:32:37: It's waiting for the Supreme Court ruling, we filed a petition with the Supreme court.

00:32:45: they made political takeover of the regulators on commercial television.

00:32:56: They tried to make a political take over of channel thirteen news

00:33:01: Are there going be successful do you think?

00:33:05: Some of these attempts are waiting for the ruling

00:33:35: un-democratic attempts?

00:33:36: Too little to my view, but they are informed.

00:33:43: They don't deeply understand what it means for them as individuals... ...they don't understand what would look like if we didn't have free press in the country.

00:33:54: It'd be like Turkey Poland Hungary Gaza!

00:34:04: They will know what's happening.

00:34:06: There is one minister who sued channel twelve for investigative journalist peace, for twelve million shekels.

00:34:15: Yes he was very rich.

00:34:17: He can pay the fee for the suit Twelve million?

00:34:23: He also established a fund For everybody that wants to sue them.

00:34:31: There is an organized and orchestrated smear campaign on social media against journalists, media outlets.

00:34:38: Prime Minister Netanyahu did not give a journalist interview in Hebrew since March twenty-one.

00:34:46: No?

00:34:46: Yes

00:34:47: I see him on American TV all the time.

00:34:49: He

00:34:49: had less interviews than foreign media outlets.

00:34:53: What?!

00:34:53: Not even one!

00:34:54: A journalist.

00:34:57: he gave an interview to the only media outlet that completely aligns with government and engage in spreading conspiracy theories, lies.

00:35:10: And interview was conducted by his advisor like a spokesperson of him.

00:35:18: yes this is not an interview.

00:35:21: he hardly opens press conference for questions And when journalists ask questions, he uses it to humiliate them.

00:35:34: You are a liar you're biased or lie all the time.

00:35:38: I don't want to answer that just create mistrust in same thing as Trump.

00:35:47: and there are proxies industries chase journalist Block their cars intimidate there in their homes and they are encouraged by the Minister of Justice who was Having a posted that short video encouraging one of these, you know people And telling him to continue.

00:36:15: And by minister for national security Who happens to be Ben Greer?

00:36:20: They're most welcome in the Knesset and they are well respected in the Knesset committees.

00:36:28: And this is what journalists have to face, so self-censorship is a way to protect themselves you know?

00:36:35: They don't want to get into these minefields...

00:36:39: You also have to protect democracy!

00:36:41: So it really is dilemma.

00:36:43: how do that when your targeted by this poisoning machine orchestrated by Prime Minister Netanyahu himself?

00:36:53: This same thing happened in Hungary.

00:36:55: We see that now because what Majer was doing, you know bypassing the mainstream media is completely taken by Urban.

00:37:06: I hope this will not happen here.

00:37:08: we really try to flash all red lights and ring all bells And they understand now that this is something orchestrated against all of them, not targeting the public broadcaster because there are no nice.

00:37:25: They're targeting all the free press in the country.

00:37:29: To my questions what's a situation for Palestinian Israeli journalists?

00:37:34: Do they have a voice on Israel media or being heard to their self-censor as well?

00:37:44: Their situation in terms of freedom of expression is very bad.

00:37:50: Many Israeli Palestinians were arrested for posting things, very mild things on their social media accounts.

00:38:02: They are much weaker than the Hebrew-speaking journalists.

00:38:06: they're hardly seen you know television speakers coming from the Palestinian community in Israel.

00:38:16: Twenty-one percent of the Israeli public is, the Israeli society is Palestinian Israelis.

00:38:23: Twenty one percent.

00:38:24: this a huge majority and minority.

00:38:26: Huge!

00:38:28: You hardly see them.

00:38:29: Hardly unfortunately not even before October seven.

00:38:34: it was hard.

00:38:35: now They feel this is part of the self-censorship.

00:38:38: The public are not ready to see Palestinian Israelis because they're considered to be Hamas supporters or something like that, which is completely lie!

00:38:54: And finally how did you view... ...the latest war with Iran?

00:38:59: Because in Germany we heard when Iran attacked Israel There was even more censorship than before.

00:39:08: Was it true that?

00:39:09: It wasn't not allowed to.

00:39:10: you know, show footage of You know rockets hitting Israel.

00:39:14: Yes First off all this house was damaged because the missile fell.

00:39:21: Not far away from me about these build.

00:39:23: all these windows were broken On February twenty-eight when they swore began.

00:39:32: yes Everything, I mean all the neighborhood with huge radius was damaged.

00:39:41: Did any people get hurt?

00:39:43: No one was killed near the building where the missile hit.

00:39:49: it was a missile you know like i don't know half a ton something that very heavy lot of explosives.

00:39:57: so they're whole neighborhood.

00:39:59: and then all windows were broken.

00:40:03: Yes,

00:40:04: were you allowed to report on it?

00:40:06: Oh yes.

00:40:06: Of course of course no.

00:40:08: No I could report what they didn't want to show and understand that They didn't one two help the Iranians Target better because they wanted to target strategic locations in Israel So they did not want to share live views off where the missile hit.

00:40:29: so the Iranian's would not be able to to understand that it was two hundred meters away from the place they wanted to target, you know?

00:40:40: Because there is a military base here in the neighborhood.

00:40:45: So maybe they were targeting military bases and they missed them.

00:40:49: so I understand this in terms of operations They want to protect... That's okay.

00:40:57: For short while You know, the journalists wanted to show the Haifa Harbor live because it's a beautiful location and its'a beautiful frame.

00:41:13: But there is refineries of the oil refinerys that were hit in the previous war with Iran.

00:41:21: So they didn't want to show the Iranians a live view of the Haifa Bay, so better target the refinerries or the harbors

00:41:45: and things like this.

00:41:55: I

00:42:01: can

00:42:10: understand.".

00:42:15: Let's continue.

00:42:17: One cool question, since you are also a peace activist.

00:42:21: Do you think he will ever experience peace between Israelis Palestinians and this region?

00:42:29: You know in the last few months The duration of the war And intensity of wars I get to maybe realize that i would not see the end.

00:42:48: The situation is so dire.

00:42:49: You're

00:42:50: still young!

00:42:51: Sorry?

00:42:53: Oh, thank you I don't know...I hope so.

00:42:57: Well, you had Jung and Eve.

00:42:58: It's good.

00:42:59: Thank you so much Anand And see ya soon.